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Episode 466: Sermongate, Stats, & Sexual Abuse with Mary DeMuth

Updated: Sep 9, 2021


When news broke that the new president of the SBC lifted portions of his message from the previous SBC president’s sermon without attribution, #Sermongate erupted. The Holy Post crew unpacks the controversy, why so many pastors either outsource their sermon prep or plagiarize, and why the pressure to preach may be harming the church.


Then, in a dramatic reversal, new data from Pew says mainline churches are growing while evangelical churches are shrinking. Have evangelicals been burned by their own critique that mainline churches don’t take the Bible seriously? Then, author and advocate Mary DeMuth explains the history of sexual abuse in the church, why cover ups are now so common, how we can respond more redemptively, and the best ways to prevent abuse in the first place. Plus—good news! Scientists say we have a back-up breathing option if our lungs fail.

Resources from Mary DeMuth:

We Too: How the Church Can Respond Redemptively to the Sexual Abuse Crisis: https://amzn.to/3tugZOv

A Church Called Tov: https://amzn.to/38Q55F4


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Judah Burke
Judah Burke
Jul 28, 2021

I'm wondering if you guys will be discussing the recent Hobby Lobby scandal in youe next ep: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/07/27/feds-take-ownership-of-smuggled-ancient-epic-of-gilgamesh-tablet-owned-by-hobby-lobby/?utm_campaign=forbes&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=Gordie&sh=16af6a14428e

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Sean McLain
Sean McLain
Jul 26, 2021

I want to start my comment by saying I LOVE the HP and what you all are doing. It's been such an encouragement to me!


One suggestion I have in relation to the celebrity-culture problem within Christianity that you've addressed frequently:


This is not meant to diminish the guests you do have on, I really appreciate the guest you choose, but most of them are there in part because they have written a book or an article, have their own podcast, etc. I'd love to see some "regular joe" types on the podcast. I don't know how you'd research this, but I'd love to hear from some pastors doing non-sermon-centric services well, or people who have engaged their community well,…

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Sean McLain
Sean McLain
Jul 29, 2021
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Thanks so much for taking time to write out such a thoughtful answer. I appreciate seeing behind the curtain a bit! And, yes I've loved the perspectives that Kaitlyn and Christian bring to the podcast. They certainly fulfill that role really well.


Since you mentioned it, I do have two possible suggestions for you to check out and they don't really fit my own non-book -writing criteria, so I'm being hypocritical....


The first is Rob Reimer. He's a fellow Alliance pastor that now teaches at ATS. He's got a number of great books: Soul Care and River Dwellers being my favorites. Fits well in the theme of life with God.


The second is Marty Solomon. Check out the Bema Discipleship…


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Krystle Moilliet
Krystle Moilliet
Jul 25, 2021

I would love to hear more about Kaitlyn's little soapbox! Can she unpack it some more please in an upcoming episode??

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"Sermon Centric Sundays" - Skye and Kaitlyn, would you talk about the alternatives?! Do any episodes dive significantly into what it looks like to have a non-sermon centric Sunday? Are there any plans to do so in the future?

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Skye Jethani
Skye Jethani
Jul 23, 2021
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Melody Foster
Melody Foster
Jul 23, 2021

My old pastor used to quote other pastors & writers often, but he also told us who said it and where we could find the entire work in hopes that we might benefit even more from it. Then I moved and had to look for a new church and it was weird to hear other pastors because

1. I'd hear the same sermon bits and pieces at various churches 2. Sometimes if I was checking a church out for a prolonged period of time there would be dramatic shifts in the preaching style. And I eventually realized it was because they were ripping off a new person's sermons. --- On Protestants thinking they were immune to having sexual abuse in the church:…


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