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Episode 497: The Progressive Christian Checklist & Ending Online Worship with Tish Harrison Warren

Updated: Feb 24, 2022


Why do black seminarians graduate with a lot more student debt than whites, and what does it mean for churches? A recent Gospel Coalition article by Alisa Childers argues that the word “deconstruction” is universally bad and should not be redeemed. Is she right or is it another example of Christians overreacting to a complicated issue?


Then Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn take Childers’ online quiz to determine whether they are progressive Christians. Anglican priest and author Tish Harrison Warren talks to Skye about her controversial New York Times column saying it’s time to end online streaming worship services, and she argues that the pro-choice movement is hypocritical for not making the choice to keep a child easier. Plus, Phil shares his hard-won wisdom about what not to post on Twitter.


News Segment


0:00 Intro

3:56 - Trucker protests in Canada

6:55 - COVID death rate graph

14:42 - Black seminarians graduating with more debt



26:43 - Deconstruction


Interview with Tish Harrison Warren


"The Systemic Realities Created by Legal Abortion" article - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/22/opinion/roe-legal-abortion.html

"Why Churches Should Drop Their Online Services" article -


49:41 - Guest intro

51:40 - Abortion and a broken system

55:50 - Feminism and abortion

1:00:23 - Online worship services

1:01:42 - Importance of embodied worship

1:06:04 - Technology in community

1:18:25 - Pushback from people unable to attend services

1:29:37 - End


Other Links/Resources:

"Liturgy of the Ordinary: Sacred Practices in Everyday Life" - https://amzn.to/3IbFy9l

Patreon Bonus Segments:

Full abortion conversation with Tish Harrison Warren - https://www.patreon.com/posts/62922779/


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Christy S
Christy S
Mar 12, 2022

I've been looking for the link to Alisa Childers' "Progressive Christianity Checklist" which was discussed in the Deconstruction segment of the podcast. Has anyone found it?

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Christy S
Christy S
Mar 13, 2022
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Found it!

https://www.alisachilders.com/blog/is-my-favorite-author-speaker-or-pastor-a-progressive-christian

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Michelle Rayburn
Michelle Rayburn
Mar 04, 2022

I’ve been a fan of the show for a long time, but I’m disappointed with the tone of this week’s discussion (which popped up in several recent episodes as well) regarding the narrow view that discipleship can only happen in a building within traditional, in-person church practices. If we aren’t careful, practices of sacraments and liturgy could become idols just as much as anything else. Considering that the apostle Paul discipled scores of churches via letters written from a prison cell, and then we use those letters for our own spiritual formation, why the emphasis on in-person discipleship as the only pure method? For 15 years, my husband has worked long stretches of every weekend in camp ministry. Only through…


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Michael Granica
Michael Granica
Mar 02, 2022

Heard about this podcast when John Cooper talked it about it on his podcast. Hearing the clips he shared and then listening to the segment on online church I was very disappointed in what I heard. I really disagree and got quite upset at what was said. The church that my family attends started online church well before covid happened. Because they had that resource, they were able to continue services even during the worst of covid. My wife and I continue to use the online service because we are both high risk for covid. The other reason I feel like online church needs to continue is because many people who had a bad experience at a church can watc…

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Ling
Ling
Mar 01, 2022

I found your conversation on the definition of "progressive Christians" honest and refreshing. I fall into the “dangerous” category of believing in traditional biblical values AND caring deeply about social justice. It puzzles me that some Christians found believing in Jesus and advocating for social justice contradictive. There are so many places in the scriptures that reveal God’s heart for the marginalized and the oppressed (Exodus 22:21-22; Jeremiah 7:6-7; Luke 4:18). As an Asian American living in a predominately white community, working in a predominantly white conservative Christian organization, and attending a predominantly white church, it is a lonely existence. Your comments encouraged me and provided me with a place to land. I am so glad I found the Holy…

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David Haile
David Haile
Mar 01, 2022
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😀I'm with you. 15-20 years ago I fell hard into the belief that one of the main ways we can serve God is by serving others. Take care of the widows and orphans. I know there must be others like us. I have not found them where I live - Wyoming. My thought about judging people on heritage or skin color ---> you might as well judge people on being short or having green eyes or being left handed. Why stop at skin color? Make them write a legible sentence in cursive with their right hand at the polling place if you really want to be a pill.

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Wow. This was my first time listening to this podcast and I have to say it will also be my last. I didn't disagree with everything being said, but the way you spoke about people with different opinions lacked humility and I felt it was just downright mocking and snarky. Why not have Cooper and Childers come and share what they mean instead of making them sound like some wackos? I don't know any of you, so I don't want to assume your motives. I do however challenge you all to consider if this is how you would speak of your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ if Jesus was sitting there with you? All our speaking should be covered…

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100% agreed. First time listening to this podcast and certainly my last too. The childish mocking of John and Alisa aside, I cannot believe that a supposedly Christian podcast couldn't even put together a coherent set of comments on deconstructionism and how it is very much tied into progressive Christianity. I don't understand the purpose of this podcast - do they recognise Biblical authority or not? It certainly comes across as the latter.

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