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Episode 445: You Might Be a Christian Nationalist If... & Transgender Identities w/ Preston Sprinkle

Updated: Feb 25, 2021


How do you know if you’re a Christian nationalist? Kaitlyn Schiess is back with Phil and Skye to unpack Samuel Perry’s top 10 indicators of Christian nationalism and they add a few of their own. They also discuss why there’s so much overlap between Christian nationalism and Christian fundamentalism.


Plus, Phil explains how the evolution of contemporary Christian music reveals what’s happened to the American church. Then, Skye talks with Preston Sprinkle about his new book “Embodied: Transgender Identities, the Church, and What the Bible Has to Say.” They discuss what extremists on the Right and Left get wrong about the transgender conversation, and what a pastoral, not just a theological, response looks like. Also this week, a more accurate covid test is being used in China—but there’s a downside.



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Thank you for addressing what I believe is the greatest sin in the Church in America today...Religious Nationalism.

God bless ya real big.

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pnparlette
pnparlette
Mar 11, 2021

Listened today to your talk with Preston Sprinkle. At one point he talked about seeing our "trans brothers and sisters" as people we can learn from and how Jesus would have a church filled with trans folks, etc. But then you never touched on the key question that I, and many friends I know, are grappling with - how do we accept folks who appear to be willfully sinning into our fellowship? Of course, this assumes one interprets Scripture as saying that any LGBTQ behavior is sinful. The evangelicals all say LGBTQ folks are sinners and because they are living with their sin willingly (vs trying to change) they must not actually be Christians. I was waiting with great expectat…

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Brian La Croix
Brian La Croix
Mar 05, 2021

I happen to live in South Dakota, and yes, having anal swabs done in SD (especially the Northeast quadrant) would be very challenging given our horrible winters, although given your reference to us not wearing masks, some might be more willing to get the test. But no, I'm not volunteering...

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I've been listening for a couple years and just want to encourage all those involved in this podcast to keep it up. I love the thoughtfulness you put in to not automatically accepting/rejecting a lot of ideas and instead to measure them up against Scripture. I'm a 90's kid who didn't grow up in the church, but had a youth group student let me borrow Keith Green's "A Cry in the Wilderness" a couple months ago and it was so encouraging and convicting.


Skye, I'm currently using "What if Jesus Was Serious" as a guide for our youth group students to teach their peers during at an after school program we're running. And this was from several episodes ago, but…


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Phil, I'm not sure how this fits into your CCM/Christian Nationalism analogy, but it immediately made me think of Steve Camp's career. I remember loving his "Justice" album when I was in college. The title track criticized Evangelicals for their support of Reagan and there was also a cover of Larry Norman's "The Great American Novel". I hadn't followed Steve's career after the early 90s, but a few years ago I looked him up to see his views on Trump. I assumed he would be very critical, but was horrified to learn he was a now a pastor who was a very vocal and enthusiastic Trump supporter.

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