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616: Black Church Politics & Messy Authenticity with Nancy French

Phil is back! He gives an update about his family’s harrowing medical emergency. Then, new data shows the Democratic Party’s grip on Black Christians may be slipping. Esau McCaulley shares his take on the reason. Nancy French talks with Skye about the themes in her new memoir, “Ghosted,” including church sexual abuse, political tribalism, trauma, and her miraculous experiences with God. Also this week—another book ban backfires, and defensive driving Florida style.

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0:00 - Intro

1:38 - Show Starts

3:10 - Theme Song

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6:04 - Phil Explains the Medical Emergency

15:52 - The Surgery

24:25 - Esau’s Childhood Stomach Surgery

26:50 - Florida Man Rescues Friend from Alligator

28:14 - Florida Man Tries to Ban Bible from Schools

35:06 - Have Democrats Lost the Black Church?

49:03 - Esau’s Dream Proposal

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53:28 - Interview

55:10 - Charismatic Experiences

59:18 - How Did the Frenches Not End Up in MAGA?

1:03:48 - What Radicalized the Republican Voter Base?

1:08:25 - Where There Signs 20 Years Ago That Radicalization Was Coming? 

1:11:30 - Pro-Life Republicans Changing Their Stances?

1:22:20 - What’s the Future for the GOP?

1:33:58 - End Credits

Links Mentioned in the News Segment:

Man Runs Over Alligator with Truck to Save Neighbor from Attack

Florida Atheist Uses State’s New Book Banning Law to Object to the Bible

Have Democrats Lost the Black Church?

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Ghosted: an American Story by Nancy French:

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Sorry to hear that Nancy French's cancer journey is looking tough. But I do love that she measured how well she's doing by how much pickleball she can play! My kind of girl! Praying your pickleball days will be many, Nancy.


Thanks for sharing about Lisa. We will continue to pray for a full and speedy recovery! I really enjoyed Nancy’s interview with Skye too! It was so good! I would love to hear from Lisa and Amanda sometime. I have made the holy post my “friends” so hearing about Phil and Lisa’s past couple weeks and Nancy’s interview just made you all so relatable and real. ❤️


Really moved by the interview with Nancy French. Very few people who can speak that honestly.


Hey Phil, a colostomy isn't the worst thing that could happen :)

So glad to hear that Lisa's on the mend!


Hard to hear then read about the abuse at Camp Kanacuk! My Youth Group had such an amazing time there in 1995, So sad to learn about it.

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