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559: The Nashville Shooting & Preaching to a Divided Nation with Matthew Kim & Paul Hoffman


Description: Immediately after last week’s school shooting in Nashville, opportunists used it to advance their favorite culture war narratives. Why does this happen after every tragedy, and why are we more likely to empathize with victims we identify closely with? Then, what impact will Donald Trump’s indictment have on the 2024 presidential race? Are his evangelical supporters finally ready to move on? And, can preaching really undo the damage and division caused by cable news and social media? Kaitlyn Schiess interviews the authors of “Preaching to a Divided Nation: A Seven-Step Model for Promoting Reconciliation and Unity.” Plus, Levi’s goes AI and Christian is having none of it.



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0:00 - Intro

4:09 - Theme Song

4:30 - Skye tries pickleball

7:17 - Levi’s using AI models

13:23 - Nashville school shooting

19:43 - Avoiding culture war narratives after national tragedies

32:14 - What’s to be learned from tragedies like this

45:51 - Trump’s Indictment


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53:16 - Guest Interview - Matthew Kim and Paul Hoffman

59:19 - Does preaching still have an impact on people?

1:11:10 - How to deal with difficult topics through centered and bounded sets

1:16:22 -How to discern when is the right time to bring up a controversial topic


1:27:49 - End Credits



Links mentioned in news segment:


Levi’s will test AI-generated clothing models to ‘increase diversity’


Why Phil usually waits to comment on national tragedies



Other resources:


Preaching to a Divided Nation: A Seven-Step Model for Promoting Reconciliation and Unity by Matthew Kim and Paul Hoffman



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26 Comments


kacumen
kacumen
Apr 11, 2023

A while back I was trying to remember the name of an author who was fighting racism but not from an Anti-racist framework. Voila, I found it! here’s a link to a podcast interview! https://theologyintheraw.com/podcast/1009-the-theory-of-racelessness-dr-sheena-mason/


I think she’s a Christian, I don’t know.

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Sarah Lowe
Sarah Lowe
Apr 10, 2023

I think part of what's difficult about learning to understand and empathize with those who disagree with us--for evangelicals and "exvangelicals" alike--is that growing up evangelical means that you were taught a very binary way of seeing the world. I'm GenX, and there was a lot of fear of postmodernism and "moral relativity" that was instilled in my generation from a young age. So, now that I'm starting to thoughtfully reject some of the worldviews, fears, & perspectives that I grew up with in evangelicalism, it's still hard to wrap my head around what it would look like to empathize with and love individuals even as I deconstruct and reject some of the power structures/worldviews that those individuals subscribe to.…

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Same - GenX who grew up in a conservative Evangelical church where we were taught not even to listen to what was labeled as “the world’s” view. Beliefs were separated into two categories - “God’s worldview” and “the world’s worldview.” The problem was that “the world” was insidious in some of the “Biblical worldviews“ we were taught - toxic masculinity, Christian nationalism, etc. I am still deconstructing, too.

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kacumen
kacumen
Apr 07, 2023

How come my meme got erased? I thought it was pretty funny and pretty spot on. Was it offensive in some way?

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Phil Vischer
Phil Vischer
Apr 07, 2023
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You're starting to cross into troll territory. You've made your point - best move on.

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Thank you for this podcast--long time listener, first time commenter! As a mental health clinician, Skye's comments on red flag laws (legislation which I absolutely support) for ANYONE under "psychaitric care" strike me much too broad and would most likely lead to stigma and fewer people seeking needed treatment. Most people under psychiatric care are not a danger to others. Also, I loved Christian's question about what we can learn from the shooter in the Christian community, and I wish she had pushed a bit harder on this. We don't have to publish the manifesto or magnify the ideas to learn about how to help and support those who are hurting, what possible signs were missed if any, and how…

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Bonnie Toney
Bonnie Toney
Apr 07, 2023
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Yes to all of what Emily says! We need to be very careful in the manner and phrasing of red flag laws.

And I agree - even without the manifesto, there’s a lot we probably need to hear as a community about the hurt this person suffered. Because people generally do not seek to do harm to a place where they have experienced good things, even people who are seriously disturbed.

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Judah Burke
Judah Burke
Apr 06, 2023

One thing on the Levi's situation. AI as it is today does not actually make up a new person, but composites existing images of humans together to match the query. So not only are they not willing to pay models, they are really using a tool to steal social media owned or copyrighted photos of real people who will never be paid for the use of their images.

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Lyndsey
Lyndsey
Apr 07, 2023
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Yup …

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