Episode 509: The War on Winsomeness & Interfaith Cooperation with Eboo Patel
- Phil Vischer
- May 18, 2022
- 2 min read
Despite the uproar over the leaked Supreme Court decision overturning Roe, it turns out 80 percent of Americans have a nuanced view of the issue. Phil, Skye, and Christian discuss responses to last week’s show and ask why are we nuanced about some moral issues and absolutist about others. Then, conservative Christians are attacking Tim Keller for his winsome, non-partisan approach to Christianity. They say winsomeness may have worked in the past, but now the culture war is so dangerous that we need a more aggressive and offensive approach. Are they right?
Skye interviews Eboo Patel, the founder and president of Interfaith America, about his new book “We Need to Build: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy.” Patel, a Muslim-American, talks about the transformative role Christianity had on his calling, why interfaith cooperation is essential, and what concerns him about the current culture of activism in America. Plus, scientists discover the Mariah Carey of jellyfish.
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News Segment
0:00 - Intro and updates
Christian’s documentary - https://thegirlwhoworefreedom.com
3:29 - News of the Butt
10:03 - Responses to last week’s show
17:03 - Nuance versus absolutism
28:55 - Tim Keller and the war on winsomeness
55:26 - Holy Post Patreon
Interview with Eboo Patel
“We Need to Build: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy” - https://amzn.to/3MquyqO
Interfaith America - https://www.interfaithamerica.org
57:30 - Eboo Patel - intro
59:20 - Background and calling
1:14:13 - Culture of activism in America
1:26:45 - Interfaith cooperation
1:31:49 - Credits
Resources and articles mentioned in news segment:
ProGrace: prograce.org
Holy Post Episode 254: Rethinking Our Response to Abortion with Angie Weszely - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLa-rjvjAtk
“America’s Abortion Quandry,” Pew Research Center - https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/
“Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid” by Jonathan Haidt - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/
Tim Keller Twitter thread - https://mobile.twitter.com/timkellernyc/status/1520107742110834699
James Wood, “How I Evolved on Tim Keller” - https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2022/05/how-i-evolved-on-tim-keller
Samuel D. James, “Is it Time to Move Past Tim Keller?” - https://samueldjames.substack.com/p/is-it-time-to-move-past-tim-keller?s=r
David French, “A Critique of Tim Keller Reveals the Moral Devolution of the New Christian Right” https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/a-critique-of-tim-keller-reveals?s=r
Rod Dreher, “Tim Keller & Myxomatosis Christians” - https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/tim-keller-david-french-myxomatosis-christians/
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I'm so grieved by the state of the Church. Where do we turn to when the institution of the American church appears to be overwrought with rot and disease?
Did you see this Skye? It looks like you misrepresented Woods. What does godliness calls for here?
I always look forward to my Saturday afternoon garden time when I catch up on the Holy Post. Today was great as usual. Thank you for your relevant topics once again.
I especially found the interview with Eboo Patel so relevant for my situation—about 12 years ago I started a ministry in my community to refugees that eventually became its own non-profit, a Christian starting a ministry to help refugees in my community thrive. God has taken me on a journey as I learn what it really means for many of our refugee friends who are from diverse cultures and committed to a different faith to thrive in our country. Respect, relate, cooperate. It hasn’t been easy, and I’ve had…
Hey guys, first I want to thank you for your podcast. I discovered The Holy Post podcast a few months ago. I think more than anything I appreciate the tone that you all take on very sensitive issues. As someone who has followed Tim Keller for many years, I am very drawn to the Christian message when it is communicated in a calm, humble and rational way. As an RN who has spent much time over the past 2 years working in the ICU taking care of COVID patients while trying to raise 3 young kids with my wife through a pandemic, life is stressful enough as it is without having to listen to a bunch of yelling and screaming…