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Episode 509: The War on Winsomeness & Interfaith Cooperation with Eboo Patel


Despite the uproar over the leaked Supreme Court decision overturning Roe, it turns out 80 percent of Americans have a nuanced view of the issue. Phil, Skye, and Christian discuss responses to last week’s show and ask why are we nuanced about some moral issues and absolutist about others. Then, conservative Christians are attacking Tim Keller for his winsome, non-partisan approach to Christianity. They say winsomeness may have worked in the past, but now the culture war is so dangerous that we need a more aggressive and offensive approach. Are they right?


Skye interviews Eboo Patel, the founder and president of Interfaith America, about his new book “We Need to Build: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy.” Patel, a Muslim-American, talks about the transformative role Christianity had on his calling, why interfaith cooperation is essential, and what concerns him about the current culture of activism in America. Plus, scientists discover the Mariah Carey of jellyfish.


“Christian Asks” Patreon Bonus: https://www.patreon.com/posts/66555715/


News Segment

0:00 - Intro and updates

Christian’s documentary - https://thegirlwhoworefreedom.com

3:29 - News of the Butt

10:03 - Responses to last week’s show

17:03 - Nuance versus absolutism

28:55 - Tim Keller and the war on winsomeness


55:26 - Holy Post Patreon


Interview with Eboo Patel

“We Need to Build: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy” - https://amzn.to/3MquyqO

Interfaith America - https://www.interfaithamerica.org

57:30 - Eboo Patel - intro

59:20 - Background and calling

1:14:13 - Culture of activism in America

1:26:45 - Interfaith cooperation

1:31:49 - Credits

Resources and articles mentioned in news segment:


ProGrace: prograce.org


Holy Post Episode 254: Rethinking Our Response to Abortion with Angie Weszely - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLa-rjvjAtk


“America’s Abortion Quandry,” Pew Research Center - https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/


“Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid” by Jonathan Haidt - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/




Samuel D. James, “Is it Time to Move Past Tim Keller?” - https://samueldjames.substack.com/p/is-it-time-to-move-past-tim-keller?s=r


David French, “A Critique of Tim Keller Reveals the Moral Devolution of the New Christian Right” https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/a-critique-of-tim-keller-reveals?s=r



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26 Comments


Dale Smith
Dale Smith
May 27, 2022

For a church with great program for mothers and children see First Baptist Leesburg FL

https://firstleesburg.org/

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lisa
lisa
May 31, 2022
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Thank you for posting this link.

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Caroline Campbell
Caroline Campbell
May 24, 2022

I'm so grieved by the state of the Church. Where do we turn to when the institution of the American church appears to be overwrought with rot and disease?

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kacumen
kacumen
May 22, 2022

Did you see this Skye? It looks like you misrepresented Woods. What does godliness calls for here?






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*sigh* Can people please stop saying we were founded on Christianity. The framers of the Constitution were from a variety of backgrounds. They did not all share the same religious views. There's evidence Hamilton's mother converted to Judaism and he was never a member of a church. Jefferson did not believe in many of the tenets of modern Christianity. He even wrote his own Bible. There was a man who was a slave owner, and a man who hated slavery, the son of a priest, and an orphan, and so on. They came from a variety of backgrounds but the one thing they all agreed on and fought for was to separate the government from the church. They made sure…

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Theresa Roosendaal
Theresa Roosendaal
May 21, 2022

I always look forward to my Saturday afternoon garden time when I catch up on the Holy Post. Today was great as usual. Thank you for your relevant topics once again.

I especially found the interview with Eboo Patel so relevant for my situation—about 12 years ago I started a ministry in my community to refugees that eventually became its own non-profit, a Christian starting a ministry to help refugees in my community thrive. God has taken me on a journey as I learn what it really means for many of our refugee friends who are from diverse cultures and committed to a different faith to thrive in our country. Respect, relate, cooperate. It hasn’t been easy, and I’ve had…

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russelldaniel
russelldaniel
May 21, 2022

Hey guys, first I want to thank you for your podcast. I discovered The Holy Post podcast a few months ago. I think more than anything I appreciate the tone that you all take on very sensitive issues. As someone who has followed Tim Keller for many years, I am very drawn to the Christian message when it is communicated in a calm, humble and rational way. As an RN who has spent much time over the past 2 years working in the ICU taking care of COVID patients while trying to raise 3 young kids with my wife through a pandemic, life is stressful enough as it is without having to listen to a bunch of yelling and screaming…

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