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Episode 443: False Prophets, Judgment, & Gen Z with Joshua Packard


Before the 2020 election, many self-identified “prophets” within the charismatic movement decalred God had revealed to them that Donald Trump would win. Millions of followers believed them. How are they now reconciling their divine revelations with reality?


The Holy Post crew looks at another failed prophecy in the 1840s that changed American Christianity. Also this week, Phil deputizes Mike Erre as his pastor to determine whether his sarcastic response to a Twitter critic violated Jesus’ command against judging others. And sociologist Joshua Packard talks with Skye about a comprehensive new study on the faith of Generation Z, and why few churches are prepared to engage them. Plus, forced monkey labor.






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Elaine Chan
Elaine Chan
Mar 30, 2021

Here's an informative Public Radio piece on the Coconut milk/monkey controversy. https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-08-26/does-thailand-have-monkey-labor-problem

Personally I wonder if there's a racial prejudice component to PETA's attack on the Thai coconut industry - yes the conditions that coconut-picking monkeys were subjected to were cruel, but if indeed the majority of commercial coconut farms have switched to the short trees that are more easily (and profitably) harvested by humans, it seems that PETA has valued the plight of the monkeys over that of the employees of Thai coconut farms.

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Phil Vischer
Phil Vischer
Feb 18, 2021

Hi Dan - I don't have any good books to recommend, though I'm sure they're out there. I tend to search for papers and articles - I've found good stuff in the Christianity Today archives (especially they're Books & Culture archives). Sitting down with one giant book gives me a whole lot of one person's perspective. Reading multiple articles and summaries can give me a better overview... also much faster.

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Love this episode! Couple of thoughts... Even though I love this podcasting crew, I don't agree with some of their sentiments and teachings (I guess you could say I think they are wrong), but that doesn't mean they are "false teachers" or "false podcasters". Or, if I am the one who is wrong, I hope you wouldn't consider me a false teacher. The Bible's teaching on false prophets (for example Deut. 13) is aimed slightly different. It actually says that if a prophecy comes true, but points you away from the Lord, do not listen. In that case, the "falseness" of the prophet was not to do with accuracy but with where he pointed the people. The stoned false prophet…


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Dan Pemberton
Dan Pemberton
Feb 17, 2021

Hey Phil, this has some tangents with what this episode was on, but do you have any reading recommendations for history of different Christian movements in the United States? I'm sure that is broad enough to entail several books and authors. I know you've mentioned some sporadically, but not sure if you have a curated list of authors you have referenced before.


In fact, a curated list of some books you are reading or have read would be phenomenal. Not that I need any more books to read, but could be helpful for the community!

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Sorry, but Vallotton walked back his apology and only re-posted it after the new year. This is after numerous other "prophecies" from him about Trump never came to pass - including later year's declaration that "God is not happy" with the impeachment and it would "blow up" in the faces of the Democrats.


As recent as a few weeks ago he considered himself a prophet in a sales pitch for new products. Don't just listen to apologies, watch for the actions afterwards. There's a host of problems at Bethel beyond just a few blown election calls....and it's telling how few of these "prophets" will even consider a brief break from their ministry for a time of reflection and repentance. Eve…


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