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Episode 411: Where Do We Go From Here? with David Kinnaman




President of the Barna Group, David Kinnaman, is back to talk about the latest research on race and racism in the American church. Is the divide between black and white Christians shrinking, and is 2020 a true turning point or just an emotional release before a return to old ways of operating?


Also this week, how can constellations help us understand the hysteria about Antifa? And does the evangelical emphasis on individual salvation contribute to racial resentment? Plus, an undersea bowel movement two years in the making.





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Referring to the Barna discussion on how white Christians view the Gospel, I'd love Skye to share the difference between how parents/churches of different ethnicities share the gospel to their kids. What is the difference between a white Protestant presentation and other presentations that lead you to pinpoint our racial resentment as a group? I really hope he gets this request. Could you maybe consider cutting the butt news and just have him explain it on a whole episode since it's so important?

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I was an emotional train wreck for the last few minutes of the Kinnaman interview. What an incredible moment talking about our idols. Thanks to David for opening up about his wife’s medical issues... just prayed for his family.

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Dave Oldenkamp
Dave Oldenkamp
02 jul 2020

The situation you talked about regarding ANTIFA happened to me and my family. My wife and I and our three sons decided to attend a local Black lives matter protest on a Friday evening that had been organized by local college students. There were around 75 people total and it was entirely peaceful. What I found out once I got home after the protest was that rumors had been spreading online that busses of ANTIFA "terrorists" were coming to our town to burn down businesses and riot. The police investigated the threats and publicly announced that they did not find the threats credible. That same day Facebook announced that it had removed fake accounts that had been spreading these ru…

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Jared Wilkins
Jared Wilkins
02 jul 2020

Hey Phil, been a listener since 2015. I really enjoy your take on "culture war" issues, especially your discussion on modesty/modern feminism from way back haha. That's actually what got me hooked on the show.

With that said, I believe the take on ANTIFA was slightly tone deaf. Though they may not be as large of a threat as ISIS or the KKK, I do believe their destructive behavior in the last few weeks warrants further discussion (possibly an episode segment? :)).

Unlike others in the comments, I will continue to listen to your show, as you and Skye constantly challenge my beliefs/opinions- which is healthy.

Keep up the good work guys. God bless!

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Phil Vischer
Phil Vischer
02 jul 2020

Hi Michael - I'm sorry you aren't enjoying the show. If you're looking for voices like Metaxas, he has his own daily show, so it's easy to find him. As I've mentioned before, this isn't a debate show, and we generally use our platform to promote voices and ideas we believe need to be heard. (Eric does the same thing with his show. We just disagree pretty severely about which voices and ideas need to be heard.) If that means the show doesn't have value for you, it's perfectly understandable that you'd stop listening.


(For the record, we never said antifa wasn't a thing, simply that the hysteria about busloads of antifa terrorists invading small towns has gotten ridiculous. We'l…


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