590: Who’s the Most Pro-Life? & the Bible on Immigration with M. Daniel Carroll
- Phil Vischer
- Nov 8, 2023
- 1 min read
Democrats are pro-choice and Republicans are pro-life. Right? According to Ryan Burge it’s not that simple. He says a closer look at the data reveals more nuance to the issue, including a significant number of Black and Latino Democrats who are strongly pro-life, and pro-life Republicans who support traditionally progressive social policies. In a post-Roe America, the abortion issue is getting a lot more complicated. Then, Skye talks to Old Testament professor M. Daniel Carroll about a theology of immigration. He says that before Christians adopt a political policy about immigration they first need a biblical vision of immigrants themselves. All of that, plus smashing pumpkin records.
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0:00 - Intro
1:25 - Show starts
2:42 - Theme Song
2:59 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling
4:13 - Pumpkin Boat Record Broken
13:31 - Abortion rates rising post Dobbs decision
23:14 - Misconceptions about pro-life supporters
41:40 - Sponsor - World Relief
42:52 - Sponsor - Sundays Dog Food
44:06 - Interview Intro
M Daniel Carroll
48:34 - Stories of migrants in the Bible
56:56 - Addressing the fear around immigration
1:04:55 - Illegal Immigration
1:16:29 - End Credits
Links mentioned in news segment:
Man floats down the Missouri River in a pumpkin to break world record
Abortions Rose in Most States This Year, New Data Shows
Two Misconceptions About Abortion
Other resources:
The Bible and Borders: Hearing God's Word on Immigration by M Daniel Carroll R
Racism and Immigration Explainer Video
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A question for the team on immigration. What is our responsibility as Christian citizens when people who have come into our country illegally ask us for help? Not asking about whether we should treat them with respect and dignity and provide them with food, etc. – those are givens. Does the fact that they are breaking the law make a difference? Would it make a difference if they were breaking a different law (stealing, cheating on taxes, selling drugs)?
In addition to what others here have said about abortion as an issue, I’d like to point out another reason you can’t fairly compare the US to Sweden or any other European nation (besides universal healthcare and government support, both very important). In addition to the unfettered access to healthcare for herself and (potentially) her child, a European woman faces no barriers at all to obtaining an abortion before the 15-week cutoff period, and if she encounters medical complications after that point, she can discuss ALL the options with her physician and be assured of whatever medically necessary care she and her doctor decide upon. There are no politicians attempting to insert themselves into that very private decision, or insisting…
I won't comment on the abortion or immigration discussion as I already agree 💯 with comments already written. I do want to discuss briefly the poll that was discussed and how it appears some Republicans actually support social programs (health care, paid maternity leave, increased minimum wage, etc). Phil brought up the point that we may not see this reflected in who actually is elected due to the Primary system. I believe he stated that in most circumstances the folks who are more "liberal" are not the party activists and therefore not the primary voters. I agree with this after Alaska's first Ranked Choice Voting (RCV) in 2022. I apologize for the length of this but RCV is a li…
I enjoyed listening to today's Holy Post. Several thoughts; why do we make the conversation about abortion only about women. How can we turn the conversation to include the men who often cause the choice for abortion by their abuse and lack of responsibility and support.
On immigration, I am reminded that my family came to America as religious refugees and settled land that was taken from Indigenous Peoples who were either moved off of their lands or subjected to genocide.
I think both of these subjects are complicated and difficult and more conversation and honest discussion is valuable.
We did it! We had to suffer through four years of a complete shyster in the White House but at least the abortion rate...increased.
You were doing great, having a fairly nuanced discussion about abortion and politics and then Phil went off the rails at about minute 36 and characterized people that do not support a national abortion ban as supporting unfettered access to abortion under any circumstances. That does not reflect reality in any way. The number of people who actually support no restrictions is vanishingly small. Roe was the compromise and it worked as well as one should expect in a divided country. Then the goalposts moved and the abortion rate, unsurprisingly, increased.
Anyone that actually supports a…