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588: Pointless Theology Fights & Rethinking American Poverty with Matthew Desmond

A Christian writer in Australia has a list of seven “pointless” things Christians fight about “for no good reason” including predestination, evolution, the inerrancy of the Bible, and worship. Phil presents all seven to Kaitlyn and Skye and discovers that maybe they’re not all pointless. Then, Kaitlyn interviews best-selling author and professor Matthew Desmond about his most recent book, “Poverty, by America.” He says the amount of poverty in the country is not an intractable problem but a choice. He challenges the narratives we tell ourselves about taxes, welfare, and the poor, and says the church should be more angry about what’s happening to the most vulnerable in our society. Plus, another Nebraska-man/animal news story.

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0:00 - Intro

1:14 - Show starts

3:53 - Theme Song

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6:09 - Animal News

12:55 - The Seven Pointless Things Christians Fight About

14:29 - Inerrancy

17:25 - Predestination

21:04 - Evolution/Age of Earth

29:27 - Politics

34:12 - Who is saved

38:42 - How We Worship

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50:28 - Interview Intro

53:27 - Why there is so much poverty in America

1:06:08 - Welfare

1:14:08 - The Spiritual Harm Done by Poverty

1:24:40 - End Credits

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Nebraska man recovering after being hit by deer while bicycling with his pet parrot near Fort Kearny

"Seven Pointless Things Christians Fight About"

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Poverty by America by Matthew Desmond

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Thank you for the interview with Matthew Desmond. There is much he discussed that resonates with me and should engage our hearts and minds.

However, I find that he did present a false equivalence. To equate the reduction of the amount of money the government takes from me in taxes with the amount of money the government gives to someone else (who pays less taxes than they receive in benefits) is not a valid equation in my understanding of the world. The money we earn from our labor (or investments, etc.) is not the governments money to give to me before my taxes are paid. Reducing how much I give the government (in taxes) is not the same as …


Oct 31, 2023

Praying for you all in (inc Christian, obviously) this situation. May you be able to reconcile and in that process honour God as I'm certain you all would.

It's true. Sometimes knowing all the details is not what we need to know. We could speculate, but that isn't helpful either. Bless you all.


As tweeted to Christian...

Something has been lost

By what will be your absence

From the Holy Post ... 俳句

Beyond that, I can only misquote Wittgenstein's "7th": Wovon man nicht [weiter] sprechen kann darüber muß man schweigen.


I should mention that Phil has said, on Twitter, "Can’t go into more details without Christian’s permission. Unfortunately that’s the best we can do for now" and " I covet your prayers. Again, we’d say more if we could w/o violating privacy. It’s a difficult situation."

So they may not be *able* to say more right now. (you have to dig around in the replies)


I think that this is a rough situation, and that it ... sounds like it could have been handled better, but we don't know the details. I hope and pray that there will be reconciliation. Holding Phil, Christian, Skye, Kaitlyn, and the HP folks in the Light.

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