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560: The Rise of Retaliation Politics & How to Suffer Well with Alan Noble


Protests have continued after last month’s school shooting in Nashville, including in the Tennessee state legislature where the majority Republicans expelled two Democrats after their protests broke the rules of decorum. What was really accomplished by this extreme response, and what’s really behind the rise of retaliation politics? Then, Skye talks to Alan Noble about his new book, “On Getting Out of Bed: The Burden and Gift of Living.” Noble says we’ve believed the lies that life is supposed to be pleasurable, that suffering is abnormal, and that our feelings are a reflection of reality. Instead, at a time when depression, anxiety, and loneliness are skyrocketing, he shows how our faith equips us to suffer well. Plus, scientists have grown mammoth meatballs. Yummy!



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0:00 - Intro


4:15 - Theme Song


4:37 - Woolly Mammoth Meatball


11:27 - Tennessee GOP expels 2 Democrats from state legislature


20:45 - The merging of Christianity with populist right wing politics


31:41 - The rise of retaliation in politics



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51:45 - Interview Intro


56:15 - Normalizing suffering


1:05:07 - The importance of finding community


1:16:11 - Talking about mental health with nonbelievers


1:26:04 - End Credits



Links mentioned in news segment:


Meatballs made with mammoth DNA created by Australian food startup


How Tennessee GOP expelling 2 Democrats could have ripple effect in other states


Three and Out - Thoughts on Tennessee


'It's worth it': Charlie Kirk calls school shootings 'a prudent deal' to protect the Second Amendment



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On Getting Out of Bed: The Burden and Gift of Living by Alan Noble


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24 Comments


Raise your game. Promise us you'll NEVER mention Jordan Peterson in such a way as to suggest that he's ANYTHING like an authority on ANYTHING except a narrow branch of Psychology, okay? On any other subject, he's a "Trash Merchant" to use an erudite phrase I heard used of him by a certain holder of a Ph.D. in history (Cold War) who teaches at a small college in Tennessee. And the rest of our lives will be better if his name and opinions are never introduced. (link to the audio where this technical term was used available by request) More later.

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Bonnie Toney
Bonnie Toney
Apr 15, 2023
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Hear, hear!

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Tracy Davis
Tracy Davis
Apr 14, 2023

I loved the interview with Alan Noble. I plan to purchase and read his latest book. The book sounds like anyone trying to live well should read it.


Our Western way of living has ill-equipped us to pray prayerfully and live faithfully in modern times. We seem to have ignored what I believe one of the most important question Jesus asked; "Do you want to get well?" That question is both an inquiry and an answer for all times and all people. It is not a question of what we may be "going through" or experiencing; it is a reality check of our brokenness.


My personal healing process has meant taking John 5:1-15 and 8:30 - 32 seriously and being…


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Bea
Bea
Apr 14, 2023

I was having a think about Skye's voting dilemma. I'd start by looking at who was standing in your area. Are they totally aligned with one or other party? Are there other candidates who who you could vote for instead who are not Democrat or Republican? If that's a non-starter, sympathy. My other suggestion would be to spoil your ballot paper (**unless that would cause huge problems.**) It's the kind of thing us crazy Brits do when nobody aligns sufficiently with our views. (Maybe that's why we don't get let out very often. Who knows what we'd get up to! Lol.) When they come to count the votes (yup, physically count the things) the ballot papers with irregular markings (rud…

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The Democrats ARE diverse, very diverse. I'm a Canadian, so I have no right to say anything but if you choose to hear me out, your choice is simpler than you want it to be today:


If you're still with me:


Extremists on one side want guns everywhere, no regulation of industry, regressive taxes (10% on the poor immiserates; 10% on the rich is unnoticeable), narrowing the availability of the vote , and no equality of opportunity to everywhere.


Extremists on the other side want every eligible person to be able to vote for a candidate they feel belongs to them and has a chance to be elected, free healthcare, widely equal free education from Pre-K to university or tradeschool.…


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Tammy Rauschenbach
Tammy Rauschenbach
Apr 14, 2023

First, I think "The Freshman " is a terrific movie. Maybe I'm the only other one... Second, thanks to Skye for voicing my frustration with the political parties, and thanks to Trellis for the reminder of how to vote in the primaries. Finally, thanks for the interview, and I hope I can be brave enough to share with my very depressed family member.

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Bruce
Bruce
Apr 13, 2023

Feel homeless like Skye. Loved the end of the segment. Jesus is coming and the focus to be a praying people. On a totally different subject, you never circled back to Kaitlyn’s paper she referred to earlier in the podcast. My guess is it was on idolatry?

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