Episode 478: Foreign Policy, Adoption, & Race with Esau McCaulley & Jamie Ivey


This week is a special a double feature! First, Phil talks to Esau McCaulley about his recent NY Times editorial about President Biden’s vengeance against terrorists in Afghanistan. McCaulley asks why so few Christian politicians seem to have Christian instincts, and what role should forgiveness have in American foreign policy.


Then, Skye interviews author and podcaster Jamie Ivey about her experience as a white mom raising black kids, how it’s changed her understanding of race, and why she no longer believes love can solve every problem. Also this week—new polling indicates a frightening number of people on both the right and left want to disunite the country. Are we on a path toward civil war, and is social media to blame?


News Segment

Trump voters are worried about anti-white discrimination and think Christianity is under attack [4:00]

https://news.yahoo.com/84-trump-voters-worry-discrimination-143538052.html


https://twitter.com/robertpjones/status/1447601670595223557


People on the right and left wanting to disunite the country [15:10]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10050039/More-HALF-Trump-voters-want-red-states-secede-union.html


Interview w/ Esau McCaulley


Interview Start: [25:41] “The Dangerous Politics of ‘We Will Not Forgive’”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/19/opinion/revenge-forgiveness-terrorism-biden.html


“Reading While Black” https://amzn.to/3lxPtx5


Interview with Jamie Ivey:


The Happy Hour with Jamie Ivey: https://www.jamieivey.com/podcast-2/


“God Made You to Be You” https://amzn.to/3BEHmnX


Ivey Family Interview with Emmanuel Acho:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONTXrsvenUY


Interview Start: [54:14]


The decision to adopt [58:48]


Jamie’s background [1:00:54]


Parenting differently and the church’s response [1:08:54]


Connecting kids with black heritage [1:19:50]


Frustration and hope with the church [1:28:12]


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