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Episode 392: Who Moved My Refugees? with Matthew Soerens (Part 1)


The podcast crew responds to listener reactions to their Super Bowl halftime show episode which leads to a conversation about the physical difference between men and women. Is there any, and if so does it matter? The bad behavior of a TSA agent would suggest so. Phil explains why he can’t wear a speedo to McDonald's. Christian reacts to a calendar featuring topless Canadian firefighters. And Skye doesn’t like the new Billie Eilish song. Plus, part one of a conversation with Matthew Soerens from World Relief about the drastically reduced number of refugees being admitted to the U.S. and why the policy is bad for both the church and the economy.






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Jason Logue
Jason Logue
Mar 12, 2020

I am just now catching up with the podcasts and just heard "nobody wants to see your veggie tale." I was crying. If someone is making a list of quotes from the podcast, this one should be on there. Wow. God bless you all for the work you do.

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Hi guys,


First... LOVE the podcast. Thanks for doing what you do.


I'm late on the conversation here, and the horse is definitely dead, but Imma whack it a couple more times anyway.

The conversation about the fireman calendar turned into a discussion about the differences between standards for male and female modesty. I think the real question for this particular story was whether it's appropriate for government resources to be used to present government employees (only the hot ones, mind you) in a manner that is clearly and intentionally objectifying. I would argue that it's not, even if it's for a good cause and intended to be fun and cheeky. Also, if I as a female manager display …


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rachel.douchant
rachel.douchant
Feb 27, 2020

Two distinctions:


1) women’s enjoyment of sex vs. visual arousal (the first is often equal to men, the second IS NOT. Statistically, women are not as aroused visually as men. This is well-documented).


2) concerns about sexual assault vs. concerns about our-of-wedlock babies (the second concern is the main one incentivizing social stigma on sexualizing public situations. We’re talking way too much about assault here, bc Phil used that - correctly - as an example of differences between men and women. But that’s not the main source of the stigma against immodest dress. Trying to keep sex in marriage IS.

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I’m listening from Britain and just want to make the point that culture varies enormously across Europe. British attitudes to nudity, although changing in this increasingly secular age, are quite different to some other countries in Europe although I can’t speak for all of them as they are not all the same! Thanks for the show!


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Rachel Murray
Rachel Murray
Feb 27, 2020

I love listening to you all!! I was really disappointed with your discussion about sexuality. Firstly, sexual assault is always about power and not sexual attraction.


Secondly, I think women are just as sexual and visual as men. Women have been told over and over that we don’t like sex as much, that we are not as visually stimulated and that we just can’t understand a mans desire for a woman. We’ve been taught to suppress our sexuality while men have been celebrated for theirs. You can see this a little in how now women are viewing pornography almost just as often as men. https://fightthenewdrug.org/survey-finds-one-in-three-women-watch-porn-at-least-once-a-week/


Women are visually aroused just like men, and for some reason women seem to have…


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