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623: Posting the 10 Commandments & America’s Secular Future with John Dickson

Louisiana has passed a law requiring the Ten Commandments be posted in every public school classroom. Supporters say it’s about respecting history, law, and the country’s religious heritage. Critics argue it’s completely unconstitutional. What’s really behind the new law? John Dickson says secularism in Australia is ten years ahead of the U.S., and there are valuable lessons the American church can learn from his country about how to thrive in a post-Christian society. Also this week—after two more megachurch pastor scandals we have to ask what’s wrong with our ministry culture. And whales display a dirty new defense against predators.

0.00- Intro

1:41- Show Starts

2:34 - Theme Song

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5:08 - News of the Butt

10:30 - Tony Evans and Robert Morris Step Down from Senior Pastor Roles

25:25 - 10 Commandments Must Be Displayed in Louisiana Classrooms

46:50 - Lisa Vischer Update

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54:35 - Interview

1:31:23 - End Credits

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Sperm Whale Poop Cloud

Louisiana’s Ten Commandments Mandate

David French on the Ten Commandments

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Steele Nickle
Steele Nickle
4 days ago

John Dickson says secularism in Australia is ten years ahead of the U.S

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I was deeply disappointed by Phil's inaccurate remarks about the IVF discussion that was held during the Southern Baptist Convention. Here is what Phil said: "Al Mohler and Andrew Walker co-wrote the piece on in vitro fertilization, declaring it, for the first time ever, unacceptable to Southern Baptists.” This statement is inaccurate. The resolution made at the SBC was to acknowledge that each embryo is a life, and to urge members to use these embryos ethically. Dr. Mohler does counsel people not to use IVF, but if they believe that's the route that's best for them, he encourages them to use it only “in ways that fully respect the dignity and sanctity of life...and that means for every embryo.”…

Replying to

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment, and for sharing the source for your information. In order to gain the best understanding of what took place at the SBC, I find it helpful to look at the actual resolution that was documented and agreed upon (found on You'll find there that the issue is not IVF itself, but rather what is done with the embryos that are not implanted. The call is for ethical treatment of each embryo, supported by the belief that each is a life. There was no statement made that IVf is "unacceptable to Southern Baptists."

To answer the question you asked me above, I believe it is an accurate quote. However…


I have worked with Australians over the years and they are some of the most fun-loving and sports-loving people I have ever met. However, when it comes to Jesus there is not much going on.

About 5% of the population attends church on a weekly basis, and the numbers are decreasing year by year.

When over the years to come, 1% of the population is attending church, the church has become essentially irrelevant to the prevailing culture.

Here in the States, the unholy alliance between politics and the Evangelicals has led to increasingly superficial relationships. Again, over time the church will become irrelevant to the culture. A radical turn of direction is required, but I do not see that happening…


What is the actual downside of having the 10 commandments in the classroom? How is it a bad thing to have a reminder in a classroom that stealing, lying, hurting other people, and not honoring your father and mother are wrong? @Skye, if it is truly “counterproductive” as you say, doesn’t that put you in your category of people who think “God must be stupid”? God certainly doesn’t need the 10 commandments in classrooms in order to reveal Himself, but why don’t we believe He can use them for whatever redemptive purpose He sees fit?


Couple things:

Only 2 of the 10 commandments involve crimes for which there are laws, so to say they are the basis for western law is just factually inaccurate.

Ten commandments is for the amateurs. We should start posting all 613 commandments from the Hebrew Bible (OT). I'd love to see how folks react when we remind a rape victim she has to marry her attacker, or that menstruating women must be exiled. Mow your lawn on a Saturday afternoon? Death! So many "good morals" in there!

In the interview, John mentions Christians make up 44% of Australians and refers to them as a minority, which is incorrect. A plurality of Australians still identify as Christian (i.e. "Christian" is higher…

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