Trump as the Good Physician and Bieber’s Coachella Performance
- Esau McCaulley
- Apr 16
- 1 min read
It was the AI image heard around the world. Esau and Mike are joined by Christine Jeske to talk about Trump’s infamous AI image depicting him as a Christ figure, and whether it signals a real shift in his evangelical support or just a passing blip. They also dig into Justin Bieber’s Coachella performance, asking whether it tapped into something deeper about longing, vulnerability, and public faith. Then the conversation turns to Anthropic’s gathering of Christian leaders to explore whether AI could ever be considered a child of God. Finally, Christine shares about her new book, Racial Justice for the Long Haul, and what gives her hope in the midst of so much turmoil right now.
0:00 - Theme Song
2:00 - Justin Bieber’s Coachella Laptop Performance
12:13 - The Pope Vs. the President
25:38 - Sponsor - Tyndale - On The BEMA Podcast, Marty Solomon dives deep into the Bible. Learn more at https://navpress.com
26:56 - Can AI Have a Soul?
31:18 - AI and Human Value
55:33 - End Credits
Hello! I appreciate your show very much. As a computer scientist working on and with AI, I wanted to provide a perspective on Anthropic. The summary of the dispute between the Department of Defense (DOD) and Anthropic (that their models "could not be used for killing") doesn't quite capture the disagreement. After signing a contract with Anthropic in July 2025, DOD asked Anthropic to remove two prohibitions that were in that contract. The first was the use of Anthropic's models for fully autonomous weapons. Anthropic asserts that today's models are prone to mistakes and should not make targeting and firing decisions without a human in the loop. The second was the use of Anthropic's models for mass domestic surveillance.…