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Episode 498: Making Christian Disciples or Christian Nationalists? with David Kinnaman

Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and the heroic resistance the Russian troops have encountered raises new questions about patriotism. When is love for our country godly, and when does it unknowingly lead to evil? Plus, a new study tries to define Christian nationalism, explain why Black and White Christian nationalists are so different, and advise how to prevent the heresy from spreading in churches.

Then, David Kinnaman, President of the Barna Group, is back for another “Barna Brief.” His latest research finds over 70 percent of pastors are very concerned about the spread of Christian nationalism, but most aren’t sure what to do about it. And - why measuring church attendance says almost nothing about a church’s spiritual health or effectiveness at making disciples.

News Segment:

0:00 - Intro

4:20 - Ukraine and patriotism

February French Friday episode -

Interview with Robert Tracy McKenzie-

23:50 - Christian nationalism and race

“Christian Nationalism and the January 6, 2021 Insurrection” report -

“Theology Cannot Save Us” article -

“Trayvon Martin’s Murder and the Death of the Evangelical Racial Reconciliation Movement” article -

Sponsor 47:51 - Faithful Counseling

Barna Brief with David Kinnaman:

49:44 - Interview start

51:40 - Reception to data on pastors

53:59 - Measuring effectiveness of discipleship

1:14:03 - Pastors’ concerns about Christian nationalism

1:23:40 - End

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