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602: When Vischer Met Reiner

Updated: Mar 29

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A new documentary hits theaters on February 16 about Christian Nationalism called God and Country. It features Phil and Skye, and many other Holy Post contributors. The executive producer of the movie is legendary actor, producer, and director, Rob Reiner, who’s created classics like The Princess Bride, When Harry Met Sally, and A Few Good Men. Reiner is a well-known supporter of progressive political and cultural causes and he’s not a Christian, which has triggered an avalanche of criticism from conservatives against those featured in the film. In this episode, Phil talks to Rob Reiner and Dan Partland, the director of God and Country, about why they made the movie, why they affirm Christians who are politically engaged but criticize Christian Nationalism, and what they hope the documentary accomplishes. Skye and Kaitlyn then join Phil to debrief the interview.

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0:00 - Intro

1:38 - Show Starts

4:28 - Theme Song

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7:05 - Prefacing the Interview

9:55 - The Interview Begins

13:42 - How the God & Country Documentary Came To Be

27:05 - Faith and Voting

31:40 - What is Christian Nationalism?

37:43 - The First Culture War Show

46:00 - Who Decides What Counts as Progress?

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58:52 - Debrief Begins

1:32:15 - End Credits


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I recently listened to the interview that Phil did with Rob Reiner. I have to say I was disappointed. In general, I would say that Phil was disrespectful to Rob. He talked over him several times, and seemed more interesting in making his own points than listening to Rob. I do not think an interview is successful if the interviewer talks more than the interviewee. And the whole "Those were the Days" song - all verses with multiple voices - that was just cringeworthy. A couple of phrases would have been a humorous way to connect with Rob's TV past, but it just went on way too long.

I also agree with the reviewer below who noted that Phil really…


Re: the interview with Rob Reiner. Phil, you seemed very eager to be cool, to be funny, to do your LONG impersonation of the Bunkers--I think you were distracted and didn't hear what your guests were saying. You missed opportunities to ask Rob about the spiritual journey he had been on, what appealed to him about Jesus--not it a pushy way, just as a sincere follow up to Reiner's statement about the dark time in his life when he had investigated several religious belief systems. It is not always necessary to be funny. Some conversations warrant our best effort to communicate.


Feb 06

So? Where’s the conversation between Skye and French about DEI? Does it normally take this long for you all to post the French Friday episodes here? Or did you all not like the turn the conversation took?


I really enjoyed the interview with Rob Reiner. I felt bad though, that Rob had to answer “duh” questions like “Do you think Evangelicals should be able to use their vote to try to persuade others?

I also know that some people really need definitions to help clarify concepts. However, at this point, I think it is like a team of doctors who have a patient with a ruptured appendix and sepsis is spreading throughout the body. On the team though, are doctors, who trying to determine if the patient’s symptoms meet the simple definition of appendicitis. Ugh.

My grandfather was working in the State Department under FDR as an aide ( he was GOP) when Father Coughlin was amassing…


I have a question. Do you think think there is a parallel between the use of Christian Nationalism and the use of "Woke." I don't think very many people would self-identify as a Christian Nationalist. It is a label that one groups puts on another. I don't think that very many people would self-identify as being woke. That too is a label that one group puts on another. I have never met a person who says I'm "woke" or I'm a Christian Nationalist. I've only met people who say he is woke or he is is Christian Nationalist.

Feb 06
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It’s a difference between the energy of the left and the energy of the right. Many on the right embrace whatever they are being accused of and relish on it as a way of challenging others. The left is less spunky.

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