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556: Teen Mental Health Revisited & Digital Discipleship with Nona Jones

Feedback on the recent episode about the teen mental health report by the CDC was so strong that the Holy Post gang revisits the topic. Jonathan Haidt says three untruths that fuel depression were embraced by progressives ten years ago, but now they’re commonplace among conservatives too. Then, in 1976, Jimmy Carter represented a biblically-rooted evangelicalism that was also politically progressive. So, why did white evangelicals abandon him—or did they? And former Facebook executive, Nona Jones, explains why social media companies say their mission is to create community but their business models do the opposite. Jones still believes there is hope for these platforms and is now working with YouVersion to build digital disciples. Plus, respected historian, Dave, believes there’s a buried treasure under Kate’s house.

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0:00 - Intro

2:39 - Theme Song

3:00 - The Holy Grail and Ark of the Covenant thought to be found in England

12:16 - Teenage Mental Health

38:10 - Jimmy Carter and Evangelicals

48:50 - Ryan Burge on race and religion in American politics


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55:34 - Guest Interview - Nona Jones

58:39 - Nona’s time at Facebook

1:05:55 - The potential and the limits of technology in the Church

1:16:57 - How to use social media for the well-being of people

1:29:57 - End Credits

Links mentioned in news segment:

Holy Grail and Ark of Covenant thought to be located under an English house -

Why the Mental Health of Liberal Girls Sank First and Fastest -

Jimmy Carter embodies the ‘road not taken’ by many White evangelical Christians -

Ryan Burge - This is how much race matters more than religion in American politics

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Killing Comparison: Reject the Lie You Aren't Good Enough and Live Confident in Who God Made You to Be by Nona Jones -

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Jason Laskowski
Jason Laskowski
Mar 18, 2023

Skye has always been rightly critical of the Christian Industrial Complex, so I'm confused by the seeming love for Nona Jones's vision for YouVersion. How exactly do they fund the app? Aren't their notifications for new studies and videos basically ads? I assume these Christian influencers or their publishers are paying to have their content platformed by YouVersion. I don't think it's a Christ honoring goal to have people turn to their Bible app to check for new content while bored at the grocery store instead of TikTok.


I think the Holy Post might be discovering that scientists like to critique research studies; it's part of the model for scientific discovery -- rigorous debate! This includes HP listeners with a science background. :)

Jen Manlief
Jen Manlief
Mar 20, 2023
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I don't think the critique is of the study, but of the conclusions people who were not involved in the study are drawing from it (which the study did not draw).


The Holy Posters need to remember Umberto Eco's dictum from "Foucault's Pendulum." 'The lunatic is all idée fixe, and whatever he comes across confirms his lunacy. You can tell him by the liberties he takes with common sense, by his flashes of inspiration, and by the fact that sooner or later he brings up the Templars…There are lunatics who don’t bring up the Templars, but those who do are the most insidious. At first they seem normal, then all of a sudden…' I'm a medieval historian (albeit not a respected one) and could go on at much greater length about Templars, but then I would have to be counted among the lunatics myself... Also, on Phil's "testerone" theory, I seem to …


I hope that interview was sponsored because it felt like a YouVersion commercial.


Carol Walsh
Carol Walsh
Mar 16, 2023

I know that this episode wasn't about abortion, but the recent lawsuit filed in Texas by 5 women who have been negatively affected by the antiabortion law here in Texas has not been mentioned at all. Why aren't you talking about this and how these laws are actually playing out in real life? They are putting people's lives at risk and are extremely detrimental to miscarriage care.

You read my original comment about the abortion issues and the state of Texas on one of your podcasts. Phil stated that there was a lot of doubt about the antiabortion politicians and supporters' true concern for women and their health. If being pro-life is real then we need to address the actual…

Bonnie Toney
Bonnie Toney
Mar 17, 2023
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Amen. I feel like all of the concerns many of us have expressed (before, around the time of, and after the Dobbs decision) about the effects of government persecution of women in the name of "conservatism" have been dismissed. I am a huge proponent of the theory that we can care about more than one thing at a time - which is to say that it's okay to ALSO care about teen mental health, but here at the Holy Post, there seems to be NO attention being given to the persecution and near-deaths of women at the hands of ignorant red-state legislation. Politicians are not doctors. They should not be allowed to inject their (in)sincerely held religio-political beliefs into personal…

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