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Is Trump Keeping Gen Z Out of Church?
Nearly half of Gen Z says Christian support for Donald Trump has made them less likely to attend church. Esau, Mike, and Sharon Hodde Miller discuss what the finding reveals about the church’s political witness, while also asking whether some young adults have become unwilling to worship beside anyone who votes differently. Then, they examine the latest viral social media trend and why so many people think their lives should be a documentary. Also, why are mega churches growi

Esau McCaulley
21 hours ago


Getting Schooled - Purity Culture 101
Purity culture promised Christians that following the rules would lead to a happy marriage, great sex, and a trouble-free life. Kaitlyn and Skye examine how fear, consumer Christianity, and a sexual prosperity gospel distorted biblical teaching about holiness, bodies, and self-control. They also consider what purity culture got right, where its critics can overcorrect, and how Christians can recover a healthier sexual ethic rooted in wisdom, grace, and redemption. Resources:

Kaitlyn Schiess
21 hours ago


731: Why You Should Talk to Strangers with Nicholas Epley
“Big Eva” may be fading, but a new generation of online Christian influencers is taking its place. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the rise of “Gig Eva,” how digital platforms are reshaping Christian authority, and why accountability to real churches and communities still matters. Then, the number of words people speak each day is dropping as more of everyday life moves online. The crew considers what we lose when convenience replaces even the smallest human interactions. The

Phil Vischer
2 days ago


Will There Be Marriage in Heaven?
In wedding ceremonies, couples say, “Til death do us part.” Wait, but what happens to your marriage after death? Jesus talks only briefly about marriage and weddings, but that has been enough to give scholars a lot to debate about throughout the centuries. Kaitlyn explains what these passages say and why she thinks heavenly matrimony seems plausible. 0:00 - Theme Song 1:52 - What Will Marriage Be Like in Heaven? 6:14 - What Does the Bible Say? 10:36 - Marriage’s Purpose 17:41

Kaitlyn Schiess
3 days ago


The Odyssey & the Bible with Nijay Gupta
Christopher Nolan’s take on Homer’s epic “The Odyssey” is the biggest film in the world right now. Holy Post Pundit and New Testament scholar, Nijay Gupta, joins Skye to talk about what it tells us about pagan religion in the ancient world. He explains how the faith taught by the Apostles contradicted the kind of idolatry and superstition described in “The Odyssey,” and what the ancient Greek understanding of hospitality toward strangers—a major theme in the movie—shares in c

Skye Jethani
7 days ago


The Odyssey, A.I. Death bots, and the Cost of Victory
Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey asks what happens when you win the war but destroy the world you hoped to return to. Esau, Malcolm, and Mike discuss the cost of victory, the erosion of shared norms, and whether a country can ever truly go back to what it was before. They also turn to America’s war with Iran and why leaders so rarely admit when they are wrong. Then, a bizarre effort to preserve a dying parent through an AI “death bot” raises deeper questions about grief, resur

Esau McCaulley
Jul 23


730: The Idolatry of Church Growth with Andrew Root
Why was there almost no emphasis on “church growth” before the 1970s, and how does the fixation on it for the last 40 years correspond with the American economy? Skye talks with Andrew Root about his new book, “Baal and the Gods of More,” about the link between the modern church growth movement and ancient pagan fertility gods. A new report by Ryan Burge says that for decades those who left the church were turned off by partisan politics and the religious right, but that tren

Phil Vischer
Jul 22


Does God Cry?
Crying can feel like a sign of weakness, which makes it hard to imagine an all-powerful God shedding tears. Kaitlyn explores what Jesus weeping at Lazarus’s tomb reveals about a God who chooses to be moved by our suffering and how Christian hope does not minimize grief, but instead promises death, pain, and tears will not have the final word. 0:00 - Theme Song 2:54 - Does God Cry? 11:36 - Sponsor - Tyndale - To celebrate the NLT’s 30th anniversary, Use code CURIOUS30 to recei

Kaitlyn Schiess
Jul 21


Drew's News - Fat Pastors, Non-Denoms, & Depopulation
Drew Dyck is back with another roundup of stories from the web. Are physically unfit pastors spiritually unfit for ministry? Christian influencers are only eating foods found in the Bible. Why non-denominational churches are a myth. What's really behind the falling birthrates, and why aren't economic solutions working? 0:01 - Theme Song 0:19 - Drew’s Newsletter 1:39 - Fat Pastors 5:25 - Are Pastors Aspirational? 22:58 - The Bible Diet 27:24 - This episode is available only fo

Skye Jethani
Jul 17


Making Sense of the Deaths of Lindsey Graham and Nolan Wells
How should Christians respond when a complicated or controversial person dies? Esau, Sho Baraka, and Mike reflect on Lindsey Graham’s political legacy and the challenge of telling the truth without becoming cruel. Then, they turn to the death of Nolan Wells, the questions surrounding the case, and the pressure to draw conclusions before all the facts are known. They discuss how race shapes our suspicions, why wisdom sometimes means waiting, and how to pursue justice without t

Esau McCaulley
Jul 16


Getting Schooled - The Role of the Bible in Public Schools
Should the Bible be taught in public schools? Skye and Kaitlyn trace the Bible’s complicated history in American education, from Protestant schoolrooms and anti-Catholic riots to today’s culture-war fights, and ask whether biblical literacy can be taught without turning public schools into Sunday schools. Ballot and the Bible: How Scripture Has Been Used and Abused in American Politics and Where We Go from Here by Kaitlyn Schiess: https://amzn.to/4fi8nTa The Bible, the School

Kaitlyn Schiess
Jul 15


729: Church Trauma & the Apostle Paul with Scot McKnight
Some of the Apostle Paul’s letters in the Bible can be defensive, sarcastic, and even mean. New Testament scholar Scot McKnight says his nasty tone may stem from deep pain. But Paul’s trauma wasn’t caused by the persecution of nonbelievers but by fellow Christians. He offers Skye an illuminating look into what the apostle can teach us about church trauma today. Mike Erre joins the podcast crew to discuss the declining support for Israel among American Christians, the weird wo

Phil Vischer
Jul 15
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